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Jeff: Coming up on this episode, it’s time for another visit to “Dante’s Cove” as we recap episode two.

Will: Welcome to episode 363 of the Big Gay Fiction Podcast, the show for avid readers and passionate fans of gay romance fiction. I’m Will, and with me as always is my co-host and husband, Jeff.

Jeff: Hello, rainbow romance readers. It’s great to have you back with us.

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So, the Winter Olympics concluded this past weekend and over those two weeks we did enjoy some of the competitions. As always, we watched a good bit of figure skating with the men’s, the ice dancing, and some of the pair’s competition. It was really thrilling to watch Nathan Chen deliver two incredible performances to win his gold medal.

It was also great to watch the stories of the athletes from the LGBTQ community, and the first openly non-binary athlete to compete at the games as American Timothy LeDuc competed in pairs figure skating. Now, in addition to the skating, we also watched a good bit of snowboarding, bobsled, skeleton, luge. And yeah, we kind of like watching people go at insane speeds on various type of sleds. There’s just something kind of thrilling about that. We also caught some skiing. And for me, I actually watched a good bit of hockey and curling.

Now while the Olympics might be over, you could still enjoy several winter sports through the pages of the gay romances that are a part of the Winter Olympics Promotion that continues to run through the end of this month. You’ll find romances involving hockey players, figure skaters, snowboarders, and curlers from authors like Keira Andrews, Leta Blake, Avery Cockburn, Lane Hayes, V.L. Locey, BL Maxwell, Chantal Mer, Sean Michael, NJ Lysk, RJ Scott, and Susan Scott Shelley. Plus, I’ve got a book in there too. It’s really an amazing lineup, and even better most of these books are on sale too, so you can stock up. You can find the list of books and where to purchase them at, or at the link in the show notes.

Will: So, before we get to our discussion of “Dante’s Cove,” we want to quickly mention another series that we recently enjoyed. A German series on Netflix called “Kitz.” K I T Z.

Now, if you can imagine “Revenge” mixed with “Pretty Little Liars” set in the Alps, you kind of get an idea of what “Kitz” is all about.

Jeff: You could not have found some better analogies there for that.

Will: So, the show gets its name from the town itself, Kitzbühel, which I’m sure I’m only sort of pronouncing correctly. It’s kind of like Aspen, a snowy playground for the rich and famous. And at the center of the show is a local girl named Lisi, and she’s plotting revenge against the people she holds responsible for her brother’s death a year before.

At the start of the series, she befriends a rich, beautiful insta-famous group of friends becoming an integral part of their clique before burning it all down, literally and figuratively.

Helping Lisi in her plan is her best friend, local nice guy farm boy, Hans, whose been having a secret fling with a spoiled hotel heir named Kosh. The kind of rich boy who is damaged and oh, so very messy.

Jeff: Messy doesn’t even begin to describe Kosh, and yet I just wanted to take care of him at the same time, put him back together again.

Will: And in first glance, it’s really hard to see what Hans and Kosh might have in common. It seems to truly be a case of opposites attracting, but as the series unfolds, we do truly get to see that they are good for each other.

There are lots of twists and turns and by the end, everyone gets a happy ending. But there is one big, final twist that throws everything into question once again. So, Netflix, Germany, I hope you’re working on series two right now.

Jeff: Yeah, they better be because I was all set to just ride off happily into the sunset and then whammo right there at the end. It was quite the twist. I really enjoyed this series a whole bunch. I thought the twists and the turns in the mystery and what Lisi was doing and what she was uncovering as she went along was really thrilling. I was often left like, oh, wow. So that.

But then there was Hans and Kosh too, who just every time they were on screen, whether it was in the early part of them trying to come together and the push and pull that they had with each other or as it was later, as they were kind of deciding to maybe go for this thing. Their relationship just gave me all kinds of heart eyes as it played out cause they turned out to be really good for each other.

Yeah. Show up for the mystery and stay for the nice squishy romance that’s in there too.

Will: There were six episodes in the first season of “Kitz,” making it perfectly bingeable in a single day or a weekend. We really enjoyed it and think you might as well. “Kitz” is available to watch right now on Netflix.

Dante’s Cove: Season 1, Episode 2 – “Then There Was Darkness”

Will: So that’s a new series that we’ve been watching. Are you ready to throw it back for another classic episode of everybody’s favorite supernatural soap “Dante’s Cove?”

Jeff: My, Yes, I was surprised. Even before you get into the notes, I’ll say I was surprised at how much more kooky episode two was over episode one. Now that we’ve got everybody introduced, the real crazy town stuff can actually begin.

Will: So let’s dive into our discussion of episode two by quickly reading the Wiki description of this particular episode, which just so happened to have aired originally on my birthday way back in 2005. Now, as we rewatched this last night, I actually don’t remember there being an episode title card, but Wiki says this episode is called. “Then There Was Darkness,” which is a play on the name of the first episode, which was called “In The Beginning.”

Jeff: And as you say that, it just makes me think of Snoopy’s favorite first line on a dark and stormy night. I don’t know why, other than the fact that there’s a lot of thunder and lightning that goes down on Dante’s Cove. That doesn’t really seem to concern anyone. We could talk more about that as we get going.

Will: Well, no let’s talk about it right now, because it’s for a certain kind of viewer, this might be a sticking point vis-à-vis the realism that is not on display in this particular program.

Jeff: If you’re looking for that, this is not for you.

Will: There’s a particularly strange phenomenon that goes on in “Dante’s Cove,” where indoors, there is constant thunder and lightning, but anytime any of our characters go outside, the weather is perfectly fine.

Jeff: Yeah, it’s really weird. And that really stuck with me last night too, because there was a lot of thunder and lightning moments.

Will: It’s not about the weather. It’s about the mood.

Jeff: It does set a mood.

Will: They’re setting a mood.

Jeff: There was a lot of thunder and lightning, sounded lighting effects in use. And there was also a crap ton of candles and fire in use too.

Will: Anyway, so the description of “Then There Was Darkness” goes, “Ambrosius quickly becomes obsessed with Kevin using his Tresum powers to seduce him. Grace still jealous and angry over Ambrosius’s betrayal, murders Kevin in the hospital. Enraged, Ambrosius, attacks Grace, and imprisons and ages her as she did him. Through some unknown means. Kevin is restored to life by a kiss from Ambrosius. However, Grace’s act breaks the spell that Kevin had been under leaving him without any memory of Ambrosius. Van, using a spell from a Book of Tresum she’s found, is able to reverse his curse and free Kevin to again be with Toby. Also drawn into Ambrosius’s influence is Cory, who also lives at the hotel. Cory develops a Renfield-like fixation on Ambrosius, and after he tries and fails to break up the couple by lying about their infidelities. The season ends with Ambrosius deeply obsessed with Kevin, and Cory seemingly murdering Toby and dumping his body in the ocean.”

Jeff: To be continued. Which you didn’t even have the title card at the end of the episode? You just had to assume it was coming back.

Will: Yeah, so before we get into the details of this particular episode, I wanna talk about something that description just mentioned. This is the season finale. Season one of “Dante’s Cove” was only two episodes long, but those episodes were extended. Each one was roughly movie length. And that is the case with episode two. As previously mentioned, there wasn’t a whole lot of story going on in episode one. Basically, a whole lot of Cinemax erotic humping was going on. Episode two has nearly quadrupled the plot.

Jeff: At least. Yes.

Will: So I’m going to describe it in as clear a way as humanly possible.

Jeff: Which in some cases won’t be, because that was some massive logic leaps going on at times.

Will: Well, I know. At times, I was sort of like, uhuh. But then I said it’s like, it’s “Dante’s Cove.” It doesn’t have to make sense.

Jeff: No, it doesn’t. It just has to be fun.

Will: So we open with Kevin and he’s in the hospital, which is where he ended up after episode one. And he is having what is kind of hard to tell either a dream or he’s remembering past events.

Jeff: I went more for a fever dream.

Will: There’s like a romantic sun-dappled montage of him and Toby rolling around in the grass feeding strawberries to one another, which is interrupted by sexy thoughts of Ambrosius, who has taken up residence in a great big lighthouse.

Jeff: Because that’s what you do. It is one of the best layers ever.

Will: And because he is the one who freed Ambrosius with a kiss from his magical captivity, they have some sort of undefined connection. And he’s calling out to him.

Jeff: Repeatedly.

Will: And Kevin is compelled to get up out of his hospital bed, and sleepwalk to the great big lighthouse. Gee, I wonder what that symbolizes. And Kevin descends the circular staircase into his candlelit boudoir.

Jeff: Losing his hospital gown and underwear along the way. Which, in a very tidy fashion, he picks back up and puts on as he leaves later.

Will: And in the morning, when Van visits Kevin’s, he seems none the worse for aware, for his nocturnal adventure. But trouble is on the horizon. Grace, the witch who was wronged by Ambrosius, And who we haven’t seen since the prologue of episode one, returns to the Cove in a sexy nurse outfit.

Jeff: She had the shortest of short skirt of any nurse in that hospital. And yet cute librarian glasses. It’s very odd.

Will: So in a move to torture Ambrosius, and drive him back into her arms, she uses her redeyed, witchy magic to kill Kevin.

Jeff: Now, here’s something I found interesting about this. Well, we’ve seen the redeye witchy magic before, and we’ve seen it at least twice in the first episode. These people steam up and eventually melt into either goo or nothingness. She managed to just cook Kevin enough to kill him, but not make him disappear. Now, I don’t know if that was, like, deliberate on her part, to you know, leave a corpse to not ask too many questions. Or if, in fact, we needed to have that as a plot point, because of course, if you made Kevin go away, it’d be much harder to resurrect him later. Tresum powers. Who can say?

Will: So Van and Toby bring Kevin some get-well balloons. But when they arrive at the hospital, they say “I’m so sorry. Kevin, has dropped dead.” Which gives both of them a real opportunity to act.

Jeff: But you know, to that…As you say that, I do wanna point out too that in the vastness of Dante’s Cove overacting, of which there is, you know, Charlie David, who plays Toby, and Nadine Nicole, who plays Van, actually overact far less than everybody else, lending it a little bit of groundedness over the grieving of now presumably dead Kevin, at least how I looked at it. Because, boy, is there overacting going on in this episode, in particular, that we’ll talk more about soon.

Will: I didn’t mean they were acting in a bad way. It’s just that there are some serious ugly cry faces going on.

Jeff: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. They mastered the ugly cry face.

Will: So Ambrosius calls out to Kevin once again. But when he doesn’t answer, he’s not picking up the phone. He goes to the hospital, and then to the morgue to see his beloved laid out underneath the sheet, and it’s there that he has a confrontation with Grace. And I’m not going to say this is necessarily a dynasty-level catfight.

Jeff: It’s close.

Will: But there is some prime, bitchy dialogue, and they use their magic to like lay into one another.

Jeff: If you wanna talk about some overacting going on. This is the first time that we’ve really seen Tracy Scoggins and William Gregory Lee really go at it with each other as she was, like, damming him to his 200 years or whatever. He was pissed, but he was also kind of stuck. And now that he’s got his powers. This is the first of many scenes where these two go at it. And I have to think, or at least I hope the actors enjoyed these scenes because they looked a lot of fun as they’re just chewing up the scenery and each other in their confrontation scenes in this episode.

Will: So Grace gains the upper hand first, which leads to her having a flashback to the old-timey days.

Jeff: As you do when you have the upper hand.

Will: When Ambrosius was courting her and her mother wasn’t very approving of the match. And it’s here that we slowly start to fill in some of the backstory and information about Tresum, and how it works, and how Grace is going to ascend to be the Tresum high priestess and yada, yada, yada. And it’s while Grace is taking this walk down memory lane that Ambrosius gets the upper hand.

Jeff: You need to pay attention,

Will: Yeah.

Jeff: We’re here to fight.

Will: And he imprisons her in the dungeon, in the basement of the Hotel Dante. That night while Toby is laying in bed the ghost kids tell him that something is up. So Toby goes to the hospital, and indeed, Kevin is up and walking around.

Jeff: Tada.

Will: Presumably, a kiss that Ambrosius has given him has somehow awakened him from whatever voodoo shenanigans Grace was up to.

Jeff: I tell you, it’s not 100% clear if Ambrosius did that, or Grace did that, or who did that. But hey, Kevin’s up and around again.

Will: So now that he’s alive and well.

Jeff: I don’t know if he’s quite well but at least alive, quite yet.

Will: Toby is the third wheel in Ambrosius’ grand romantic plan. So he takes a hatchet and is about to do away with Toby in his bed, giving off some very Joan Crawford in “Strait-Jacket” vibes. An amazing movie, by the way. But the ghost twins stop him from doing so. He briefly feels bad or something.

Jeff: Something.

Will: It’s not 100%…Well, It’s not completely clear.

Jeff: Of all the scenes in Dante’s that are not logically organized and shot, this would really strike me because…So Toby is in probably a queen-sized bed, and he’s laying on the far side away from Ambrosius. Ambrosius is going to have to lean over the empty part of the bed to be able to strike Toby at all. Why would you not just stand over him to hack him? Now I’m assuming they had to do this maybe because they’re in a practical room and not a soundstage. So they could flip the camera angle easily. He looked ridiculous. To me, like, how are you going to actually do this well from over there? And two, why aren’t you just using your powers? And the ghost kids, I don’t know if we’ve mentioned it? Did we mention it in the last time we talked about this that the ghost kid is BooBoo Stewart?

Will: Yes, we briefly touched on them, but only in passing because narratively, they don’t have much more to do.

Jeff: Yeah, they weren’t doing much in that episode.

Will: And they won’t ever again. They’re essentially forgotten after this episode.

Jeff: Which is weird, because they put up this whole thing about something that happened to them in the 1950s that is not resolved in this episode, and may never be resolved as the series goes on.

Will: Well, as I mentioned before, there was a lot of setup, and a lot of different characters in episode one that we never hear from again, and that is the case here. There were several residents of The Hotel Dante that we saw humping away in episode one, and are now completely forgotten about.

Jeff: Yeah, even by episode two, there’s a few that are already like who?

Will: So after that failed murder attempt, Bro runs into Cory in the courtyard of the Hotel Dante. And this incidentally is the first instance of someone giving Ambrosius his nickname. Cory calls him Brosius, which is equal parts stupid and adorable. Later on in the series, it will simply be shortened to Bro. But Ambrosius sees possibilities in the lovable hotel slut. So he takes Cory back to his Lighthouse lair. And when Cory realizes this isn’t quite the hookup he imagined, he tries to make a run for it but is unable to escape Brosius’s sexy clutches.

Jeff: Well, he was whammied by some Tresum. So…

Will: Yeah, definitely. So it’s in Ambrosius’s subterranean Lighthouse sex dungeon that they undertake this blood ritual making Cory his faithful sex servant.

Jeff: Strangest blood ritual ever. And Brosius cut’s open his stomach and makes him drink the blood. I mean, if all the things you could do, you know, it wasn’t just the simple, I’m gonna bite my arm or slice my arm and you’re gonna drink from there. You have to drink from my tummy. It’s like what?

Will: It’s not a tummy. Those are sexy freaking abs.

Jeff: Oh, sure, okay. And that becoming his sex slave also comes with an entirely new outfit for Cory, which should be the first clue to everybody that something is not right.

Will: I know. Poor Cory, Ambrosius made him put on pants.

Jeff: Not just pants, leather pants. Or if it looked like leather pants, which probably means they’re faux leather pants, which is even worse.

Will: Well, okay, speaking of leather ensembles, we need to talk about Ambrosius for a second. He spends the entire episode strutting around like Gothic Elvis, with his jet black hair and his black leather ensemble.

Jeff: Can you imagine how unfortunate that was In Turks and Caicos in the summer, when they’re clearly already warm anyway. But to spend every scene either naked or in that?

Will: Yeah, I mean, it’s definitely a look but not entirely practical.

Jeff: Yeah. And then poor Cory, you know, goes right for the leatherwear, which, like I said, over and above his gaunt, distressed appearance after the changeover, the fact that he went from like, short shorts and open shirt to leather pants and that sleeveless tight leather shirt thing, it’s like, Can’t you see he’s tweaked? “This is not what he wears?”

Will: So sex zombie Cory is definitely under some sort of Renfield-like spell, and he pays a visit to Kevin in the hospital. And he’s trying to sow seeds of doubt. And he tells Kevin that Toby is a dog-faced dog-type cheater. And Kevin being young and impressionable sort of falls for it. And then Cory pays a visit to Toby, at the bar where he works. And he does the same thing. And Toby, being slightly older and a little bit wiser, isn’t falling for any of it.

Jeff: Well, when you consider the things that got told, the lie that he told Kevin was much more plausible than the lie that he told Toby. The whole thing that Kevin actually came on and slept with Cory was like, you couldn’t come up with something maybe a little bit better for that? And yeah, Toby is a slightly older and wiser. But Kevin, to his credit, also was like, I don’t know that I believe you. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt for being a little more fuzzy because he was just dead not that long ago. So his, you know, faculties aren’t quite back to normal yet.

Will: Revisiting this episode, I find I have a real soft spot for the Cory character, especially in these two particular scenes. He’s trying so damn hard, but he’s really bad at this. It’s kind of adorable and hilarious at the same time.

Jeff: It is and it’s not the actor I don’t think being bad. He’s actually, you know, trying to carry out Ambrosius’s, demands, but not being the best liar. Because deep down he’s just this happy-go-lucky guy who is just out to have some sex and a nice time. And he’s being tasked with some very serious stuff here trying to keep and Ambrosius happy.

Will: So at the local historical society, Van and Toby learn a little bit more about Grace’s backstory. And they also happen to find a copy of The Book of Tresum just laying around.

Jeff: How many of these are there because Ambrosius has one too, all of his own. So I don’t know where he got his. But here’s another one.

Will: Yet so far in this series, we have two books of Tresum, the one that Ambrosius has, which Grace kept in the dungeon underneath The Hotel Dante, and I’m not 100% sure where the second book has come from. And as a book, it seems to serve several different narrative purposes. It seems to be both a book of spells as well as sort of a history,

Jeff: Which are all in one guide.

Will: Tresum 101. Tresum for Dummies, is essentially what it is.

Jeff: Well, I will talk more about that in a second.

Will: So after Kevin’s whole back from the dead thing, Van is convinced that she can use the book to cast a spell to break whatever curse has been placed on him. So the two of them arrive at Kevin’s, bedside, Van, uses the book to abracadabra him, Kevin, and Toby makeup, and the three of them decide to celebrate with a bonfire party on the beach.

Jeff: I’d call that more of a campfire. That was not a really big fire. Bonfire is being really generous.

Will: Uh, potato, potatoe.

Jeff: Let’s talk about Van for a minute. So we’ve learned so far that Grace is supposed to be this priestess. We know from the flashbacks at the time that she was looking to marry Ambrosius. But she had not fully come into our powers yet. She wasn’t fully versed yet in the way of the Tresum and didn’t quite understand what she was doing blah, blah, blah. We know that somehow Ambrosius learned Tresum during his 200-years or whatever of captivity below the Hotel Dante. Van spends 10 minutes with his book, flips to the right page, and un-whammies Kevin? Really? Is Tresum hard to learn or not? There wasn’t even that moment. I mean, they did look through the book a little bit, but they were mostly in the historical part of the book trying to sort out what this was and stuff. There wasn’t even that moment with the Grimoire of going over and like, “It might be this spell. It might be this spell.”

Hermione spends more time with spell books in “Harry Potter” than Van did in this entire moment to un- whammy Kevin, and nobody blinks an eye at it for that matter. Even Ambrosius and Grace both have this moment of something just happened. You could tell that they register this disturbance in the force, but they don’t really say anything about it. They just have this one facial expression over it.

Will: I am of the opinion that you might be overthinking this just a little bit.

Jeff: And I’m willing to accept that but, you know…?

Will: Now if memory serves, In season two, Van explores her interest in Tresum a little bit more.

Jeff: She does.

Will: And she tries to get Grace to kind of take her under her wing. And Grace, sort of, sees possibilities in her. So she may have some innate capabilities?

Jeff: Sure. But even for Van, she wasn’t like “Hey, I just did that”. It was like “okay, that worked. Yay.”

Will: Anyway, our happy trio are on the beach at night. And as the episode draws to a close Cory and Ambrosius, lure Toby away, and conk him on the head and toss him off at the end of the pier.

Jeff: Yet another moment where it’s, like, Ambrosius you’ve got some powers. Why not use that? Instead of using an axe or this random rock that you found somewhere.

Will: Which means Kevin, is now in Ambrosius’s clutches, and Grace has managed to master enough power to break free from her captivity, leaving the door open for more supernatural shenanigans in season two of “Dante’s Cove.”

Jeff: I look forward to it. As I remember in season two, they refine themselves a little bit more. I assume they learned a lot of stuff from season one, figured out what they wanted to do a little more. But I look forward to continuing the shenanigans next month.

Will: Yeah, all kidding aside, I love this show so hard.

Jeff: I did too. It was so fun to watch all this crazy damn stuff going.

Will: It’s just so damn wonderful. Any final thoughts before we wrap up this…?

Jeff: Well, you know, we didn’t talk about Stephen Amell much this time. We talked about him not a little bit in the first episode, and he did have a few more things to do here because theoretically Adam and Toby have been best friends since, you know, fifth grade or whatever. And he had some making up to do with Toby because he, you know, got into him so hard about it.

Will: He’s shitting on his and Kevin’s relationship and being kind of pissy about the whole thing?

Jeff: Yeah, there was some decent moments between him and Toby in this episode trying to make up for it. And then Adam being all sorry that, you know, Kevin, died for five minutes, and…

Will: I mentioned in episode one I thought Stephen Amell was particularly awful in this role. And that does not change in episode two.

Jeff: No, it proved it even more, because he had more to do…

Will: Lord have mercy…

Jeff: …Besides, you know, stand around and be pretty. And this is the episode though where you see his butt. The butt thing is in full display in this episode,

Will: As awful as he is, as an actor in this particular series, you really can’t deny he is spectacularly beautiful, a youthful, freshly scrubbed pretty boy in the early 2000s Abercrombie & Fitch kinda away.

Jeff: Mm-hmm. And it’s really impressive too when you look at him as an actor and even how he’s taken care of himself over the years. By the time he got to “Arrow,” his acting had improved about a billion-fold. And he kept his looks and improved on them with age as well. It’s a very interesting look at a very early role for an actor who became a pop culture icon there for a while with “Arrow.” So yeah, next month we move into season two, and The Hotel Dante picks up and moves, and becomes an entirely different building that we’ll talk about why that happened when we get into it next month.

Will: Yep. So definitely looking forward to talking about that.

Jeff: If you’d like to check out “Dante’s Cove” for the first time, or maybe revisit it, the episodes can be found streaming on Amazon Prime Video.


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Jeff: And if you’ve watched, “Dante’s Cove” in the past, or maybe checking it out now because we’re talking about it. We’d love to know what you think of the show. Let us know by leaving a comment on that very same show notes page.

Will: All right, I think that’ll do it for now. Coming up next in episode 364, we’ve got reviews of what we’ve been reading recently and a preview of some of the books that we’re looking forward to in March.

Jeff: I have finally read some Tal Bauer and oh boy, did I love that. You’ll hear all about that from me next week.

Will: On behalf of Jeff and myself we want to thank you so much for listening, and we hope that you’ll join us again soon for more discussions of the kind of stories that we all love, the big gay fiction kind. Until then keep turning those pages and keep reading.

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